Hi Don,
Thank you for putting so much time and effort into the t-shirt project.
I would rather see us stay with the current design, even if it costs a bit more. We had a contest a few years back, and many participated in creating a new LPA logo, and members voted on the current one that can be viewed in the "two items to discuss" thread. Duane Whitaker was the winner, and just gave me two CD's, both with a 700k jpg file and a 19M tiff file, suitable for having a digital transfer made.
I called Kinko's Palmdale to see if they do tshirt transfers, and they send them to Memphis, TN for printing and there is a one week turn-around time.
Prices
$15.95 for childs S-XL
$16.95 for adult S-XL
Price Break offered for Quantity
Adult - 20-50 shirts $13.56 each
Adult - 51-100 shirts $11.87 each
Shipping is $5 for the first item and $2 for each additional item. Tax too.
If 51 people would pre-order/pre-pay for shirts, the cost would roughly be $11.87 for shirt, $1.09 for tax, and $2.00 shipping for a total of $14.96.
For 20-50 shirts, total would be $16.81 each.
The $5 shipping charge for the first item, should be spread among all who place an order.
The t-shirts are white, a 50/50 poly/cotton blend, round tshirt neck, and no pocket.
If we used a digital transfer, we can use the exact same logo, and the refection on the camera lens will even show up.
So now we have a reference price for having LPA shirts done by way of a digital transfer. There may be a cheaper source than Kinko's to them made up.
Hope to see you at the board meeting, and you can present your findings.
Sue
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Im not crazy about a white tshirt...How bout PURPLE? 
Some background.......
My wife made her career in the printing industry. At one point, her and I almost opened our own print shop but the 1980's recession trashed that idea. Normally, projects requiring color separation were sent out to a company who specialized doing that unless you had an in-house separator/plate maker costing oodles of money back in the day. Different plates (or negs) were produced for multi-color print runs. A select function within the printing industry, it was expensive relative to the job.
Told that in order for LPA to have our voted-on logo reproduced, they would have to send the design out for color separation which would cost us a bundle, based on what I know of the general printing industry, what they said was true. It may very well cost us a bundle.
However, we have two factors to consider: the general printing industry and silk screening are two parallel avenues separated by their print medium – paper v cotton. And, the advancement in technology which has spun the printing industry on its head over the last 20+ years.
As far as logos go, with the pride I have in my past profession, to ask if we should go to a bland, lifeless, stock logo as a replacement to our unit of assignment or cop patch, you would've been given a one-way ticket on last train to Clarksville. Why should we expect anything less from LPA members? It makes perfect sense. The trolls under the bridge are the extra costs related to color separation and run set up in hard financial times. If LPA is willing to put up the funds to cover those costs, let's get down and funky in that t-shirt kind of way and go with our voted-on logo.
All said and done, during our Friday night rap session, it appears that we do have alternatives to color separation and set up to help us keep costs a tad lower than what has been initially described as being a “bundle.†Internal networking - don't ya love it?
During our next board meeting, we can pow wow to hash out these other resources to help ease our club's financial burden, make this thing happen and give our members something they can all be proud to buy and wear. Once we hammer out those details, and after a bit more footwork, we can better determine what our club's run costs and a final per-item cost to members will be.
Don
My wife made her career in the printing industry. At one point, her and I almost opened our own print shop but the 1980's recession trashed that idea. Normally, projects requiring color separation were sent out to a company who specialized doing that unless you had an in-house separator/plate maker costing oodles of money back in the day. Different plates (or negs) were produced for multi-color print runs. A select function within the printing industry, it was expensive relative to the job.
Told that in order for LPA to have our voted-on logo reproduced, they would have to send the design out for color separation which would cost us a bundle, based on what I know of the general printing industry, what they said was true. It may very well cost us a bundle.
However, we have two factors to consider: the general printing industry and silk screening are two parallel avenues separated by their print medium – paper v cotton. And, the advancement in technology which has spun the printing industry on its head over the last 20+ years.
As far as logos go, with the pride I have in my past profession, to ask if we should go to a bland, lifeless, stock logo as a replacement to our unit of assignment or cop patch, you would've been given a one-way ticket on last train to Clarksville. Why should we expect anything less from LPA members? It makes perfect sense. The trolls under the bridge are the extra costs related to color separation and run set up in hard financial times. If LPA is willing to put up the funds to cover those costs, let's get down and funky in that t-shirt kind of way and go with our voted-on logo.
All said and done, during our Friday night rap session, it appears that we do have alternatives to color separation and set up to help us keep costs a tad lower than what has been initially described as being a “bundle.†Internal networking - don't ya love it?
During our next board meeting, we can pow wow to hash out these other resources to help ease our club's financial burden, make this thing happen and give our members something they can all be proud to buy and wear. Once we hammer out those details, and after a bit more footwork, we can better determine what our club's run costs and a final per-item cost to members will be.
Don
I'd like to pre order a T-shirt. I'm fine with waiting too.
Don did a great thing, Did you try AV graphics Design? They're pretty reasonable too.
I like PURPLE too.
Don did a great thing, Did you try AV graphics Design? They're pretty reasonable too.
I like PURPLE too.
Don hasn't done anything great just yet. A trained monkey could have done what I have thus far. I mean, let's be real about it. LOL But thanks, dear Sharna.
The real work is ahead of us at the next board meeting where we need to share what we know in order for LPA to bag the best deal and still arrive at the docks with something that won't fade or fall off of us on the first rain. The footwork and making all the hands in the circle connect, within and outside of LPA, is simple stuff.
What's with this purple trip lately? Bright, glow in the dark, neon light green! Punk mohawk electric blue! Better yet, Vietnam Era tiger stripe camouflage! Now that shirt would rock! I can almost feel my Neanderthal knuckles drag on the ground.
Don
The real work is ahead of us at the next board meeting where we need to share what we know in order for LPA to bag the best deal and still arrive at the docks with something that won't fade or fall off of us on the first rain. The footwork and making all the hands in the circle connect, within and outside of LPA, is simple stuff.
What's with this purple trip lately? Bright, glow in the dark, neon light green! Punk mohawk electric blue! Better yet, Vietnam Era tiger stripe camouflage! Now that shirt would rock! I can almost feel my Neanderthal knuckles drag on the ground.
Don
PURPLE Rocks.
Besides, it's easy to spot when you're out in public.
Besides, it's easy to spot when you're out in public.
Purple is my favorite color!
I'm with Sue Craft. I'd rather pay more, as we need to have the logo be the logo that was selected. We don't want something that sorta, kinda, looks like it. A T-Shirt is a one time purchase and it's my belief that we need a) our logo and b) a decent quality T-Shirt that will stand up to lots of wash and wearing.
There are other sources to obtain this item, and Bonnie and I mentioned contacting Kevin at Creative Concepts. He does a lot of stuff for the City of Lancaster, getting things with our logo on them.
Something surely to discuss at the Board Meeting.
There are other sources to obtain this item, and Bonnie and I mentioned contacting Kevin at Creative Concepts. He does a lot of stuff for the City of Lancaster, getting things with our logo on them.
Something surely to discuss at the Board Meeting.
Terri:
Yep, that's what I refer to when I say the real work is ahead of us at the board meeting. It's these contacts we each make over the course that we need to share. Once I have more contact info, I can start to make headway.
Don
Yep, that's what I refer to when I say the real work is ahead of us at the board meeting. It's these contacts we each make over the course that we need to share. Once I have more contact info, I can start to make headway.
Don
I will vote for Purple!
Helen
Helen
Of all the colors to chose from......purple. Someone must have spiked the Kool Aid at the last general meeting. No red shirts with silver sparkles. No orange shirts with battery powered twinkle lights. No olive drab with crossed M16A1's on the back nor light grey with, "Yo, we be down with LPA." OK. You force me into a tough decision........
1960's era hippie tie-dye t-shirts. You can have your purple and blue and red and yellow and green and so on. And on the back, a large peace sign with, "Tune in and turn on.....with LPA." Hey, we can wear our old bell bottoms and hippie jeans again. Bring out the old sandals. For male members who still can grow hair, we can grow it long and wear beatnick beenies. We can buy an old VW bus, paint it up with flower power stuff and use it for field tripping while blasting the Beach Boys over our new stereo 8-track player. Retro - that's what this club needs.
I think we're onto something good here. Can ya feel the vibe? Free Huey. Make love, not war. Groovy, man. We will need new name tags, though, with goofy hippie names like Moonchild, etc.
I knew that if we talked about this t-shirt business long enough, an original idea would come forth. How about watching "Beach Blanket Bingo" at the next board meeting just to get us in the right mood?
Don
1960's era hippie tie-dye t-shirts. You can have your purple and blue and red and yellow and green and so on. And on the back, a large peace sign with, "Tune in and turn on.....with LPA." Hey, we can wear our old bell bottoms and hippie jeans again. Bring out the old sandals. For male members who still can grow hair, we can grow it long and wear beatnick beenies. We can buy an old VW bus, paint it up with flower power stuff and use it for field tripping while blasting the Beach Boys over our new stereo 8-track player. Retro - that's what this club needs.
I think we're onto something good here. Can ya feel the vibe? Free Huey. Make love, not war. Groovy, man. We will need new name tags, though, with goofy hippie names like Moonchild, etc.
I knew that if we talked about this t-shirt business long enough, an original idea would come forth. How about watching "Beach Blanket Bingo" at the next board meeting just to get us in the right mood?
Don
I love PURPLE too, but can we do that AND keep our original logo? How much for a Purple T-shirt with the "LPA club winner logo"? My vote would have to go with LPA Logo Design Contest winner first, and color second. Sue
As far as purple goes, it will depend on the shade. The darker the shade of purple, or any available color, the worse it will be considering the LPA logo depends upon using black as the base design color. A lighter shade shouldn't be a problem.
I highly encourage all members to get a shirt color that pleases them should shirt color selection be an active part of the deal. The more members like their t-shirts, hopefully the more they will wear them equating to advertising and more general members. Go for it. I plan on getting three - white, light blue and desert tan. And, if I can make it happen, a fourth and fifth in desert and woodland camouflage for when I do wildlife shots around the AV. Advertise while making the shirt work for me particular to the type of camera shooting I do.
The company I have in mind will let us choose our individual colors. If we go outside that initial contact, I haven't a clue until I meet that possible provider face-to-face and see what they have to offer us. I think it a safe money bet that until we know for sure what our selected provider can give us that we plan on basic white t-shirts.
Once again, as for our logo and its basic black with highlights color base, there are no plans to move away from that idea at any point. As such, shirt color will most certainly have to be dictated by that basic black with highlight color base. Remember, lighter will always be better when it comes to making the logo stand out.
I have my charge that starts with what we have agreed is the accepted logo. You, as a company, will provide that to LPA in the manner we want or I will take LPA business elsewhere. We are the customer. You are the provider. Cowboy up or go away.
Keep in mind that this is a club project. All I'm doing is providing the footwork, meeting the contacts and making sure they provide us with what they say they can. In that light, I will keep the message board updated so board and general members alike can stay abreast of what is going on.
I still like the hippie van idea.
Don
I highly encourage all members to get a shirt color that pleases them should shirt color selection be an active part of the deal. The more members like their t-shirts, hopefully the more they will wear them equating to advertising and more general members. Go for it. I plan on getting three - white, light blue and desert tan. And, if I can make it happen, a fourth and fifth in desert and woodland camouflage for when I do wildlife shots around the AV. Advertise while making the shirt work for me particular to the type of camera shooting I do.
The company I have in mind will let us choose our individual colors. If we go outside that initial contact, I haven't a clue until I meet that possible provider face-to-face and see what they have to offer us. I think it a safe money bet that until we know for sure what our selected provider can give us that we plan on basic white t-shirts.
Once again, as for our logo and its basic black with highlights color base, there are no plans to move away from that idea at any point. As such, shirt color will most certainly have to be dictated by that basic black with highlight color base. Remember, lighter will always be better when it comes to making the logo stand out.
I have my charge that starts with what we have agreed is the accepted logo. You, as a company, will provide that to LPA in the manner we want or I will take LPA business elsewhere. We are the customer. You are the provider. Cowboy up or go away.
Keep in mind that this is a club project. All I'm doing is providing the footwork, meeting the contacts and making sure they provide us with what they say they can. In that light, I will keep the message board updated so board and general members alike can stay abreast of what is going on.
I still like the hippie van idea.
Don
Hmmmmm Looks Kinda Good!
Helen
ROFL Helen. Way to put us out there girl. LOL You dun guud. hehehe
Hey, now we're talkin.' You go, girl.
Don
Don
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Next Competition
Date: 19-May
Venue: AV Senior Center
Theme: Birds
Submission Deadline:
12-May 11:59PM
12-May 11:59PM
Thus far, the economy has had a dramatic effect of businesses within the AV. Graphics shops are to no exclusion as some are no longer in business. However, I was able to nail down initial positive info.
The reason I bring up this matter is to let you know that we will have to alter the thus far approved design. In the graphic's world of color seperation & set up, the center camera of the design will cost us a bundle on both accounts. The alternative is to select a suitable camera from a logo file that will please us. This makes that design a single color, or shade variations of that basic color, black. I thought we would have problems with it when I first saw the approved design. The reflection glow on the lens surface is the problem child.
When LPA had t-shirts made at the old T-Shirt Place in the mall, having a few made there myself at one time, they imprint using a transfer they heated up which then bonded to shirt fibers. Silk screening is a lot different in that the ink - the different colors thereof in a standard four color process - each have to be laid down in seperate layers that all line up. The more complex the color pattern, the more time it takes to lay those colors down and to initially seperate them into their particular layers.
With a standard camera logo in basic black or shade varioations, initial seperation, set up and ink transfer is then far more easy on the operator and our wallets.
The cheapest quote I have so far for 40 white shirts is $8.75 apiece with a one-time set up fee of $25.00 dollars. If we need a second run later, no set up fee cost as the design has been seperated and is on the computer. The cost of a different color shirt - pink, light blue, tan, yellow - is an extra $ 0.50 per shirt. You can have the design added to one of your own shirts at the same per shirt cost. By the way, that cost is for a large design on the back and a small design on the front. I wear a particular brand of pocket tee's and it's to those shirts that I'd have my design applied. For pocket tee's, the design will go slightly above the top of the pocket.
I'm waiting for another quote to come in but I expect it to be close to that already quoted. A third local quote was $12.00 per shirt without the ability to have shirt color changes nor having the design transfered to your personal shirt.
Look over the design that Arley put up in the "2 items to discuss" thread and let me know what you all think. Stay with the current design at a higher cost or go with a standard camera design from their logo file?
Don